Brad Pitt is once again opening up about his sobriety, this time in a conversation with Anthony Hopkins published in Interview magazine. "I just saw it as a disservice to myself, as an escape," Pitt said of his—as Hopkins put it—"struggle with booze and all that." Pitt also explained: "I’m realizing, as a real act of forgiveness for myself for all the choices that I’ve made that I’m not proud of, that I value those missteps, because they led to some wisdom, which led to something else. You can’t have one without the other. I see it as something I’m just now getting my arms around at this time in my life. But I certainly don’t feel like I can take credit for any of it."
Hopkins spoke of his own journey to sobriety—he's been sober nearly 45 years—noting how struggles like this are "necessary" and "a gift," sentiments Pitt agreed with. Said Hopkins, "I look at it, and I think, 'What a great blessing that was, because it was painful.' I did some bad things. But it was all for a reason, in a way. And it’s strange to look back and think, 'God, I did all those things?' But it’s like there’s an inner voice that says, 'It’s over. Done. Move on.'" Replied Pitt, "So you’re embracing all your mistakes. You’re saying, 'Let’s be our foibles, our embarrassment. There’s beauty in that.'" Both Pitt and Hopkins agreed they're not "evangelists" about sobriety. The full conversation is worth a read. (A few months back, Pitt spoke to the New York Times about his alcohol struggles and AA.)